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| Posted by: Mike Murray |
11/29/2007 |
Joe Horn, a 61 year old Pasadena, Texas man was sitting at home working on his computer when heard the glass breaking at a neighbor's home. Joe looked outside to see two men with a crowbar breaking in. He picks up the phone and calls 911. Here is quick (shortened) transcript of what happened next:
Dispatcher: "I want you to listen to me carefully, OK?"
Horn: "Yes?"
Dispatcher: "I got ultras coming out there. I don't want you to go outside that house. And I don't want you to have that gun in your hand when those officers are poking around out there."
Horn: "I understand that, OK, but I have a right to protect myself too, sir, and you understand that. And the laws have been changed in this country since September the First and you know it and I know it."
Dispatcher: "I understand."
Horn: "I have a right to protect myself ..."
Dispatcher: "I'm ..."
Horn: "And a shotgun is a legal weapon, it's not an illegal weapon."
Dispatcher: "No, it's not, I'm not saying that, I'm just not wanting you to ..."
Horn: "OK, he's coming out the window right now, I gotta go, buddy. I'm sorry, but he's coming out the window. "
Dispatcher: "No, don't, don't go out the door, Mister Horn. Mister Horn..."
Horn: "They just stole something, I'm going out to look for 'em, I'm sorry, I ain't letting them get away with this ----. They stole something, they got a bag of stuff. I'm doing it!"
Dispatcher: "Mister, do not go outside the house."
Horn: "I'm sorry, this ain't right, buddy."
Dispatcher: "You gonna get yourself shot if you go outside that house with a gun, I don't care what you think."
Horn: "You wanna make a bet?"
Dispatcher: "Stay in the house."
Horn: "There, one of them's getting away!
Dispatcher: "That's alright, property's not something worth killing someone over. OK? Don't go out the house, don't be shooting nobody. I know you're pissed and you're frustrated but don't do it."
Horn: "They got a bag of loot."
Dispatcher: "OK. How big is the bag?" He then talks off, relaying the information.
Dispatcher: "Which way are they going?"
Horn: "I can't ... I'm going outside. I'll find out."
Dispatcher: "I don't want you going outside, Mister..."
Horn: "Well, here it goes buddy, you hear the shotgun clicking and I'm going."
Dispatcher: "Don't go outside."
On the tape of the 911 call, the shotgun can be heard being cocked and Horn can be heard going outside and confronting someone.
"Move and you're dead!" he shouts. A loud bang is heard, then a shotgun being cocked and fired again, and then again.
Then Horn is back on the phone:
"Get the law over here quick. I've now, get, one of them's in the front yard over there, he's down, he almost run down the street. I had no choice. They came in the front yard with me, man, I had no choice! ... Get somebody over here quick, man."
Dispatcher: "Mister Horn, are you out there right now?"
Horn: "No, I am inside the house, I went back in the house. Man, they come right in my yard, I didn't know what the --- they was gonna do, I shot 'em, OK?"
Dispatcher: "Did you shoot somebody?
Horn: "Yes, I did, the cops are here right now."
Dispatcher: "Where are you right now?"
Horn: "I'm inside the house. ..."
Dispatcher: "Mister Horn, put that gun down before you shoot an officer of mine. I've got several officers out there without uniforms on."
Horn: "I am in the front yard right now. I am ..."
Dispatcher: "Put that gun down! There's officers out there without uniforms on. Do not shoot anybody else, do you understand me? I've got police out there..."
Horn: "I understand, I understand. I am out in the front yard waving my hand right now."
Dispatcher: "You don't have a gun with you, do you?
Horn: "No, no, no."
Dispatcher: "You see a uniformed officer? Now lay down on the ground and don't do nothing else."
Yelling is heard.
Dispatcher: "Lay down on the ground, Mister Horn. Do what the officers tell you to do right now."
Is Joe Horn right or wrong in what he did? Well, let me tell you. In my mind, Joe Horn is a HERO. Plain and simple. God bless this man for being an upstanding citizen and protecting himself, his home, and his neighborhood from criminals. He warned these criminals. "You move and your dead." They moved. Joe shot them. Good job.
Now many of the ultra-liberal factions out there are already attempting to get Joe behind bars and make him out to be the criminal and criminals out to be the victims. On CNN the reporter even went so far as to call them "Joe's Victims"!!! That is ridiculous. I'll never forget the California story of a man shooting a nighttime burglar in his home in the leg. The burglar sued the victim and won a $43 million dollar judgement. And people wonder why my motto is "shoot to kill." How could it ever be considered my fault for protecting my home and family from a criminal!?! It makes me very angry when I hear these ultra-liberals talk about criminal rights. CRIMINALS SHOULD HAVE NO RIGHTS. If your are in the process of breaking the law, you deserve whatever you get, even if it is death.
The castle doctrine, a new law passed in September 2007 in Texas was recently expanded precisely because the citizens of Texas were tired of rampant crime. This new law allows citizens to use deadly force in protecting their home or neighbor's home from criminals. It is no longer required that you attempt to flee first. Thank God for that, because I would never flee from criminals invading my neighborhood, regardless of the law. I believe in my right to protect myself, family and friends from crime, even if my government does not. Thankfully, Texans finally got the laws amended to give us that right legally.
And for those of you who say he should have let the cops handle it: I think you need help. We (non-criminals) are all responsible for the wellfare of our country and people. If you were to witness the rape of a 10 year old would you just sit back and watch while you were waiting for the cops. I sure hope not. I would hope you would intervene.
I'll say it one last time. Joe Horn, you are my hero.
Oh, and if these ultra-liberals do somehow get charges filed against Joe, I will be there for him. He doesn't know me, but his defense fund will get a nice padding from my donations. |
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By craig on
12/3/2007 |
| Right, because neither of us have EVER stolen anything or broken into someone else's property. :)<br><br>People should absolutely have the right to defend themselves and their homes. But using deadly force should be a last resort. Stealing isn't the same thing as raping or killing. If you feel your life is in danger because someone is breaking into your home, then you should do what you need to to protect yourself. But Horn took that a step further and left his house to defend a neighbor's house, because they had "a bag of loot", when he was told there were non-uniformed police on the way. <br><br>He could have shot a cop. Or how about this? A lot of crimes are by people who know the victim. Say the neighbor's house was being broken into by someone that was on drugs trying to steal to get enough money for their next fix. They could be stealing from their uncle, grandparent or friend. This happens all the time. How would the neighbor felt if Horn killed his strung out grandson? Would he have been a hero then?<br><br>The problem with deadly force is that you can't take it back. Once someone's dead THATS IT. Defending your life IS DIFFERENT then defending your property or someone else's. Things are just things. People's lives are more important IMHO.<br><br>Someone broke into my house last year. They broke my door and stole a laptop. If I had been there and had a gun, i wouldn't have hesitated to shoot them in the leg if they didn't stop. If i thought they they were going to kill me, I would shoot to kill as a last resort. I hope the cops catch them and put them in jail. But i don't wish death upon them.<br><br>"It is better to evade then to block, its is better to block then to hit, it is better to hit then to be hit, it is better to hurt then to maim, it is better to maim then to kill it is better to kill then to be killed." - Confucius<br><br> |
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Re: Joe Horn is my Hero! |
By mlmurray on
12/3/2007 |
| Sure. Shoot him in the leg. Then you will get sued for millions too. CRIMINALS HAVE NO RIGHTS DURING THE COMMISION OF A CRIME. |
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Re: Joe Horn is my Hero! |
By Craig on
12/6/2007 |
| Lawsuits like that are just propaganda spun by the conservative media.<br><br>No seriously, i hear what you're saying and I think these judges that allow those kind of frivolous lawsuits need to be removed from office. Its a sick society that punishes people for using restraint when they are defending themselves, but lets them off the hook if they kill someone.<br><br>And of course criminals have rights. The police can't simply beat you with a night stick for speeding or shoplifting. That would be insane. The use of force has to be warranted. What we disagree on is whether it is warranted to apply deadly force to protect someone else's jewelry or consumer electronics.<br><br>As for me, I'm glad that when we were young and stupid noone took the harsh, vigilantism stance against us that you are advocating now. |
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Re: Joe Horn is my Hero! |
By mlmurray on
12/6/2007 |
| You know. If a guy with a gun told us "Move and your dead!" We would freeze like ice. These guys were professional criminals who charged into his yard when he told them that. These weren't kids shot in the back running away. They were shot in the chest coming at him. |
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By Craig on
2/27/2008 |
| You know after re-reading this article and thinking it over, i'm starting to agree with you more. I still think Horn should have stayed inside the house because he could have shot an officer out of uniform. But the thieves shouldn't have tried to jump him and for that, they got what they deserve. |
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